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Post by Derafear on Mar 2, 2013 15:14:04 GMT -5
Hey guys,
OK, I have read all of the suggestions that you guys have given me and it has made me change my mind on what I would like for a Pistol. Here is a list of my changes:
Green Gas/Propane Powered.
Semi Auto.
$130 for the max price.
Metal.
Last me a long time.
Durable.
280-300 FPS.
Good amount of rounds.
I don't really care for a beaver tail safety on the 1911.
I don't care about what size the pistol is. Small, Big, Etc.
Thanks for all the support,
Wildmann.
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Post by SnakeAssault on Mar 2, 2013 15:19:24 GMT -5
I know Dave has these Full auto pistols, but a few problems:
Green gas or propane, not CO2
Only Full auto, not select fire
Might be over 350 FPS.
Actually, I don't know, but you might be able to use CO2 mags in that.
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Post by Foggy (CR4) on Mar 2, 2013 16:52:26 GMT -5
WE Hi capa 1911, various sizes available (5.1, 4.3, 3.8 ... even a 7) ... plenty of available parts & upgrades. Gas or CO2 mags are an option. More rounds than single stack 1911's. Shouldn't have an issue finding a holster that fits.
In my opinion, I'd stay away from the select fire stuff. Leave the full auto to your primary.
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Post by Derafear on Mar 2, 2013 17:58:06 GMT -5
Sounds good, thanks  |
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Post by MotorMouth93 on Mar 2, 2013 18:20:59 GMT -5
First of all, you'll get better reliability if you use propane/green gas as the pressure is much lower, and propane is also far cheaper than CO2.
For the most part, I agree with Foggy on staying away from select fire pistols, they wear out much faster. However, I'd stay away from WE 1911/hi-capa guns, those have a track record of being pretty lousy. With your budget you can do much better.
If you really want select fire, I'd recommend the KWA Mac 11. It's supposed to be pretty good, and the rate of fire is wicked.
For a budget 1911, KJW guns are supposed to be excellent.
The KWA ATP is an decent gun for an decent price, if you can get past the looks of it.
The WE Glock 17 isn't bad as it isn't actually made by WE, and you could get an extra mag or 2 and still be within your budget.
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Post by shadowhawk on Mar 2, 2013 19:01:10 GMT -5
personally, i love WE. and i have the 5.1 cqb master 1911 (custom by evike), and it is very reliable. never had a problem and it has been dropped before. i also have the g19, although it hasnt been dropped, but apparently that isnt made by WE. youll have to explain that to me because its got the WE trademarks. anyway, if you really want a hicapa 1911, i seriously suggest this: www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=31322this is a beast. hard kick, and its not really a gas hog either. in warm weather you can get between 2-3 mags (50-75 shots) on 20-30 seconds of propane. i own this and it has a good range and fps. the g19 gets like 2-3 mags on 10 seconds of gas in colder weather (like 60-70). |
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Post by Derafear on Mar 2, 2013 19:17:17 GMT -5
Which ones does Dave have? I looked all of these up, and so far I like the KJW. The WE looks awesome as well, but I just like the look of the KJW more, and also the fact that its primary mag is CO2. Thanks for all the recommendations so far.
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Post by MotorMouth93 on Mar 2, 2013 19:21:30 GMT -5
WE rebrands the Glocks that they sell and put their trademarks on them, the OEM is 3HK. If you don't believe me, do some research.
Just dropping a gun once is by no means a test of reliability. A test of reliability is firing thousands of rounds through it. If you go on a forum asking about a WE 1911, people will start screaming to get a KJW or TM. WE 1911's are also not fully compatible with TM, so when stuff starts to break you may or may not be able to fix it.
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Post by shadowhawk on Mar 2, 2013 19:58:14 GMT -5
i believe you i just didnt understand why, i forgot about that kind of thing.
anyway, ive probably fired 500-1000 rounds and not a single problem. ive owned a kwa usp with ns2 and i thought the we was better. the usp had problems, like for a while it would just dump the gas, which cleared up by itself, and it would jam, and bbs would just roll out of the barrel. i think its because the ns2 still has some bugs. it might have been a lemon. anyway, ive never had any problems with any WE guns ive ever owned or used. they may not be as well built as kwa or tm, but there built like a tank, granted you dont drop it a thousand times. mine been through all kinds of crap.
another thing is ive never manage to make a WE gun freeze. with the kwa it froze to the point it had a coating of ice over it. this was after two mags, which i had to stop inbetween to refill because i only had the one, and it took awhile to thaw.
in my opinion, the tm may last longer, but it is much more delicate. i think WE designed their guns to last a good while, and take a lot of crap in the mean time.
as for parts, there are plenty of replacements made by we on evike and gi.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Mar 2, 2013 20:48:11 GMT -5
ok, my turn....
what I use is a M9 select fire pistol, I recommend it due to the fact that it has easy to find mags, in a tough work horse and IF needed you can go FA in a owe crap moment..
the all metal version is 120.00 and the polimar version is 100.00. new with warenty.
thanks
dave
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Post by shadowhawk on Mar 2, 2013 22:01:53 GMT -5
i think ill buy one of those next time im out. what brand are they?
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Post by Derafear on Mar 2, 2013 22:14:32 GMT -5
ok, my turn.... what I use is a M9 select fire pistol, I recommend it due to the fact that it has easy to find mags, in a tough work horse and IF needed you can go FA in a owe crap moment.. the all metal version is 120.00 and the polimar version is 100.00. new with warenty. thanks dave Is it CO2 or Green gas? The reason I want a CO2 pistol it because I hear the co2 mags hold the gas better, you don't have to carry a big green gas on the field, And I also heard that propane can ruin your gun. Does propane ruin the gun? But other than that, it sounds awesome. Thanks. |
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Post by MotorMouth93 on Mar 2, 2013 22:39:12 GMT -5
I hear the co2 mags hold the gas better, you don't have to carry a big green gas on the field, And I also heard that propane can ruin your gun. Does propane ruin the gun? But other than that, it sounds awesome. Thanks. I've never heard that about CO2 mags, in fact just the opposite tends to be true. CO2 exerts ~800PSI while propane is closer to ~120PSI, there are quite a few reports of CO2 mags developing leaks. However, the odds are your mags are going to leak after a while, regardless of whether you use propane/green gas or CO2. Green gas mags can normally be fixed and CO2 mags tend to be more difficult because of the higher pressure. Propane and the green gas that you get in the US are approximately the same thing, green gas just has silicone oil mixed in. The reason propane could be said to ruin a gun would be that it doesn't have the silicone in it, if you mix silicone into your propane you can avoid this problem. I take a different approach to the propane and silicone dilemma though. The silicone in green gas doesn't properly lubricate a gun, although it is better than nothing. The problem is that silicone in the gas gunks up the hop up and barrel, and accuracy goes to crap. I avoid both of these problems by using dry propane in my guns and then I lubricate them manually before and after I use them. The result is a gun that performs better and lasts longer because it is always properly lubricated. |
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Post by Midas on Mar 2, 2013 22:39:30 GMT -5
Not if you mix it with the right amount of slicone
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Post by SnakeAssault on Mar 2, 2013 23:08:47 GMT -5
Yeah, propane has been running my MP7 fine since I bought it. So, no worries about propane ruining a gun, although it does void some warranties.
The one main advantage of CO2 is that you don't have to fill your mags. My CO2 pistol will last all day, even the times I've used it as a primary. The draw back to this is that once you put the CO2 in, it isn't coming out.
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Post by Midas on Mar 2, 2013 23:26:32 GMT -5
I have a co2 TSD M9 and love the thing to death due to the way the mags work. The co2 goes in the guns handle that way you can switch out the mags and not have to fumble around with multiple co2 cartridges. Plus you can also use them with your thunder B's. The only downside is that co2 does hit harder (higher fps) so depending on where you play you cant use it.
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Post by Foggy (CR4) on Mar 2, 2013 23:49:50 GMT -5
Like Motor mentioned, if your aren't dead set on CO2, the ATP is a good choice. My current secondary, fits great inside all common Glock 17/22 hard holsters (SERPA, G-code etc.). Decent range, accuracy and gas consumption. Most of CR runs them, we've had great luck with them so far. Just not a fan of the m9...sorry Dave, I know they are great guns, but the big loop trigger guard just kills it for me.
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Post by MotorMouth93 on Mar 3, 2013 2:22:58 GMT -5
Yeah, propane has been running my MP7 fine since I bought it. So, no worries about propane ruining a gun, although it does void some warranties. The one main advantage of CO2 is that you don't have to fill your mags. My CO2 pistol will last all day, even the times I've used it as a primary. The draw back to this is that once you put the CO2 in, it isn't coming out. Non blowback pistols use significantly less gas than blowback pistols. |
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Post by hippie on Mar 3, 2013 10:06:53 GMT -5
ok, my turn.... what I use is a M9 select fire pistol, I recommend it due to the fact that it has easy to find mags, in a tough work horse and IF needed you can go FA in a owe crap moment.. the all metal version is 120.00 and the polimar version is 100.00. new with warenty. thanks dave Who is the maker of your M9 Dave? |
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Post by gunslinger 2-3 on Mar 3, 2013 20:03:28 GMT -5
IV gone through three co2 pistols imo they are a huge waste of time since I got my kjw SIG 226 for Christmas im in love this thing is affordable and functions great has good recoil and same weight as an unloaded real steal 226 I highly recommend it myself but as UV been told the ATP is good gun as well just my opinion
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Post by Spider on Mar 3, 2013 23:07:18 GMT -5
^At first I read that as "has the same recoil and weight as a real steel 226 lol
My 2 cents on pistols-
KSC/KWA- Good, but can be expensive/hard to find parts if something breaks
WE- Hicapa's are good, most everything else... is ok
TM- Godly if you can get past the plastic and have the right gas for it
KJW/most other TM clones- Good first secondary's, relatively cheap, use green gas, lots of parts around
CO2 is no good as most here have said, usually makes guns shoot too hot/puts too much pressure on the internals. Doesn't help with the hot climate of Texas increasing it more than usual. Green gas is only $12-15 i think, and propane is even less (for the same quantity of gas)- even if you add the price of silicone oil to add to it.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Mar 3, 2013 23:08:58 GMT -5
I have 8 new pistols that will be here friday
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Post by MotorMouth93 on Mar 4, 2013 2:48:06 GMT -5
Green gas is only $12-15 i think, and propane is even less (for the same quantity of gas)- even if you add the price of silicone oil to add to it. Green gas is quite literally 10 times the price of propane. A 16oz tank of propane is $3, an 8oz can of green gas is $15. Silicone oil is about $3 for a bottle that will last months. Green gas: 8/15= 0.533 oz/$ Propane: 16/3=5.33 oz/$ |
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Post by Redkangavoosa on Mar 4, 2013 21:17:47 GMT -5
Or you can be like me, pick up a $20 CO2 NBB pistol, and run it as your primary In all seriousness tho, have you considered the KWA MP7s? They're probably one of the most skirmishable GBB SMGs that won't break your budget... for the most part. |
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Post by Midas on Mar 4, 2013 22:05:43 GMT -5
the tsd mac11 isnt bad either. Grab 2 of those and your set  |
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Post by angrygiant on Mar 4, 2013 23:39:41 GMT -5
i really like my AEP that shoots 150fps
especially pointing it at dave's head for mass rage
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Post by Derafear on Mar 7, 2013 21:41:49 GMT -5
Updated.
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Post by Derafear on Mar 8, 2013 14:08:00 GMT -5
Thanks for all of the help guys I have decided to get a HFC m9 from Dave. I love the looks of it, I like the full auto option, and I like that it will last me a long time. Again thanks for all the help Wildmann. |
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