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Post by Redkangavoosa on Jan 22, 2012 17:50:14 GMT -5
Well, what TASO rules would you suggest be enforced at the field? I can tell you, that Dave's "safety kill" rule is a lot safer from a insurance policy's standpoint compared to TASO's engagement distance rules with pistols... which is none, at least within 20 ft/40 ft, depending on what primary you are using. Pistols that can be engaged at close range can when chrono'd to a maximum of 350 fps. (over that limit must abide by other rules, etc.) I know for a fact that 350 at VERY close range is enough to do some serious damage, after pulling some bbs out of my skin at a Texas Paintball skirmish, all TASO sanctioned, from a KWA PTP. Also I believe Dave follows the TASO rules of all pistols being allowed to be chrono'd at 350 fps, max (It might even be lower). Quoted from San Antonio's board on TASO rules: "* Pistol Velocities: Semi-auto gas, electric, or spring pistols are restricted to 350fps or 1.13J. This is a hard limit. This muzzle energy guideline applies to indoor and outdoor skirmishing when the pistol is used with the intent of a secondary/backup weapon. This applies to engagements inside the minimum engagement distance of AEG, support weapon, and sniper rifle categories. In all instances, these replicas should be aimed centermass or lower. In cases where a high-power pistol is used, it must follow the AEG, support weapon, or sniper rifle category based on its' muzzle energy output." sanantonioairsoft.setbb.com/airsoft-ethical-legal-discussions-f133/taso-rules-of-engagement-t3012.html |
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Post by piper on Jan 22, 2012 18:28:40 GMT -5
New to this whole posting on forum things but after reading through all the comments. Needless to say most of the "comments" don't seem like advise or constructive criticism as they are saying they are. But then again as I said, new to this whole posting thing so ya learn something new everyday.
Dave,
Thank you very much for allowing CSTAT to join out on the field, I have never been disappointed when going there. I had a blast I love the field and the players we played with were great to shoot with or at. It was a great game, the boldness was intentional. Thank you for putting up with all the complaining, unfortunately there will always be whiners. You do have a great field that I hope we get to play on it again and again.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jan 22, 2012 18:41:20 GMT -5
thanks piper CAST has a home if it wants it.
you guys were great and i had 0, none, no issues with your team what so ever.
other comments, im finished with them, on to 1944!!!!
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Post by trenchraider on Jan 22, 2012 19:07:06 GMT -5
Eh.
I'm talking about the rules set in general rather than specifics. Standardization is a desirable thing and only helps the hobby grow. I was around back in the late '80s and early '90s when paintball was at the stage of development that airsoft is now and every field was making their own rules and safety regulations as they went. The widespread adoptation of more or less universal standards helped that hobby. (of course the growth of paintball did as much harm as good to that hobby, but that's also a whole other subject...) I sometime sense there is hostility caused by previous classes of personalities to the TASO organization and by extension it's rules and conventions amongst some parties. This is a shame as a governing regional body and a standardized set of rules and conventions is nothing but a good thing. These were not simply "made up". They were developed over a period of time with a broad range of experience both here and elsewere as a guide.
As to TASO's rules on sidearms, I've personally never had any issue or problems with them. (once again, assuming they were correctly enforce and regulated via the chrono station....perhaps the "BBs embeded" situation you describe occured due to an un-chrono'd gun slipping in?) Keep in mind I was quite active when we had the CQB facility open here in Austin and we never saw issues with 350 fps guns at close range...and recall that shooting there often occured at near contact ranges due to the enviorment. (which was a blast BTW...I do miss that enviorment)
The only time I have ever seen anything close to "embeded BBs" was due to over limit hot guns or someone failing to observe the 20 foot minimum range for most AEGs. (something that occured to me at another field recently)
But we are straying off topic here. I probably not have brought up the TASO thing. Ah well.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jan 22, 2012 19:32:21 GMT -5
taso has its own rules.
i have insurance that requires me to use there national rules, if i dont use them or change them i loose my insurance. its just that simple.
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Post by paxrom on Jan 22, 2012 19:43:56 GMT -5
I just think you all need to calm down on this issue. Realize its just a game and its not like anyone wants to intentionally hurt the another player. If there's an issue resolve it and move on. You pay to have fun not wine.
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Jan 22, 2012 19:50:21 GMT -5
I just think you all need to calm down on this issue. Realize its just a game and its not like anyone wants to intentionally hurt the another player. If there's an issue resolve it and move on. You pay to have fun not wine. I agree with you on that. Hug? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 19:56:22 GMT -5
YEAH-Group hug in the shower tonight
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Post by mugensamurai on Jan 22, 2012 19:59:55 GMT -5
So.... Who agrees that the weather was crazy during the game? Texas didnt know if it wanted to be cold or warm, cloudy, or sunny.
Great day BTW. The overcast sky at the first half of the day always makes for a better battle experience (in my opinion).
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Post by mortair on Jan 22, 2012 20:03:51 GMT -5
Yeah, only happy talk from now on haha. Peace Paxrom I shouldn'tve jumped on ya.
And yeah that weather was insane! I think I liked the cold better because there's not as much fogging!
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Post by goober6644 on Jan 22, 2012 20:06:46 GMT -5
I have to say I had a great time out there running with the CSTAT guys. Even though I experienced gun troubles I still had a great time and look forward to playing again.
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Post by paxrom on Jan 22, 2012 20:07:16 GMT -5
I agree with you on that. Hug? awww yeah come at me bro. bromance time |
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Post by greywolf on Jan 22, 2012 22:29:37 GMT -5
Hilt wasnt the only person that lost a tooth at this OP. I lost portion of mine because people want to keep shooting you in the face once your dead
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Post by caliban on Jan 22, 2012 22:41:08 GMT -5
Hilt wasnt the only person that lost a tooth at this OP. I lost portion of mine because people want to keep shooting you in the face once your dead Sorry to hear that. All positives from here on, come join the hugfest  |
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jan 22, 2012 22:53:24 GMT -5
from what hilt told me on the phone his tooth is cracked not knocked out. also it was stated by grey wolf that another player had his face shot that i had in the truck.... he tripped over his gear and fell on his face. now his is the first time that i am hearing that gray wolfs tooth is cracked, again you have the right to run without a face guard right now. so that is on you. also it has been stated on facebook that some of you are getting money for good reviews.... thats news to me also was anyone charged for lunch?  was anyone turned away from lunch? again facebook |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 23:08:01 GMT -5
My team is full of college students and if your paying for good reviews please oh please let us in on that!
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Post by theplague on Jan 22, 2012 23:10:41 GMT -5
Pay me NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jan 22, 2012 23:13:15 GMT -5
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Post by tnpcook1 on Jan 22, 2012 23:38:22 GMT -5
Dave is a magnificent marvel of modern decency and is incapable of negativity in any connotation, nor plays host to any mortal flaw. I worked hard, I went to college in texas, it took me forty minutes to type that, Pay me please.  On-topic; Would you be up to working on a large safety poster/board at some point? Laminant handbooks, and such as well, for OC's, bah, there's so much safety stuff that filling a thread with it would get nuts, ill bother you in PM's |
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Post by mortair on Jan 22, 2012 23:38:34 GMT -5
The free lunch was really nice cause one of my friends had used all of his money. I donated, but it was nice to have the option. Them hot dogs always taste purty good after a mornin skirmish!
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Post by trenchraider on Jan 23, 2012 0:10:33 GMT -5
Then you mis-heard or are recalling incorectly. The bottom third or so is gone. I supose one could split hairs and say it's not "knocked out" since a portion is still there. But it's more than cracked. But again, the tooth is not an issue and never really was meant to be.
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Post by Redkangavoosa on Jan 23, 2012 0:21:41 GMT -5
I agree with this statement. Here, have some karma.
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Post by greywolf on Jan 23, 2012 0:25:04 GMT -5
from what hilt told me on the phone his tooth is cracked not knocked out. also it was stated by grey wolf that another player had his face shot that i had in the truck.... he tripped over his gear and fell on his face. now his is the first time that i am hearing that gray wolfs tooth is cracked, again you have the right to run without a face guard right now. so that is on you. also it has been stated on facebook that some of you are getting money for good reviews.... thats news to me also was anyone charged for lunch? was anyone turned away from lunch? again facebook OC-6 man your integrity is falling by the minute. I told you on the radio and right before you ran off to get Plague and pointed right to my face and tooth. And be a man dude I posted on facebook, and I know 10 people that you offered that to. Do you really want me to get them to make there statements. Because this is a Integrity sport. You keep telling everyone that your insurance requires this and that. As you know I sit on the National Safety Board that sends the standards to the Insurance companies in this sport. We have had this conversation. As you say owe me, so yur saying your insurance company allows and says its okay for people to be intentionally shot in the face under any condition. So, I tell you what if thats true I would like to know your insurance policy number. Because I know myself and a few others could file a claim on dentist and injuries. Just like the gentlemen that was hurt asking for medical care and you took a guy with CLS certification to go and treat the guy. You do know a person with CLS"Combat life savers" Course isn't trained but in meer basic and how to stop and clog bleeding. And a person with CLS knows that. The injury reguest was a leg injury. I missed that part of class in CLS to be trained to treat and care for sprains, dislocation, and such only stabilization....... Solider's first not medical professionals. I guess your insurance allows that also. as part of the Liability. Its news to us no one was charged after you told told us five times twice at morning briefing and three more times prior to lunch break the lunch was 5.00. And went on to explain it would take forever to get chow from any of the restaurants, and wouldn't get back in time. And I told you and the guy with the pad who began looking it up on the forums after you told 7 other people . NO that was a mistake Shatter Skies was a more expensive op. And I told you well if that was true all my guys would be back at Soviet HQ eating MRE's. So I guess they should file for theft of service. Dude I have cancer not alzheimer's. Heck you never said anything to the 15 of us out there at Soviet HQ the food was free. From the morning sign in you told us it was 5.00. Do you think I was the only one to hear it. And they weren't just members of my team. And I conceded to the Fact the NATO forces did a Heck of a job, as they did. And the many Soviets that went out there did so. |
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Post by tnpcook1 on Jan 23, 2012 0:52:35 GMT -5
@ Greywolf.
No reason to be aggressive, if there are any problems keeping to facts and staying emotions helps get us to another, and a better game, quicker(I like games). More on topic; I did hear him state that there was a small charge for food, however someone recalled it was included and reminded dave, boom free eats. Ask and ye shall receive, yea? lol (so many hot-dog jokes could go here).
Objectively, facebook probably isnt the best avenue to file issues with the field >.>
This is a board for the players from what i understand, if its not about feedback, suggestions, or complaints about the OP, and you wanna sling words with the owner directly, PM's are probably the best route, so you don't get drowned out among the rest of our discussion.
Off topic; Are you part of NSERA, or some other NIC, because I actually might want to bother you for some info. Also, its nearly midnight, this is crazy active for it being so late.
I'm a moderator on a good number of forums, and i can't contain "da internet law" all the time, if ive overstepped, dont hesitate to edit/delete my post
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jan 23, 2012 1:33:13 GMT -5
from what hilt told me on the phone his tooth is cracked not knocked out. also it was stated by grey wolf that another player had his face shot that i had in the truck.... he tripped over his gear and fell on his face. now his is the first time that i am hearing that gray wolfs tooth is cracked, again you have the right to run without a face guard right now. so that is on you. also it has been stated on facebook that some of you are getting money for good reviews.... thats news to me also was anyone charged for lunch? was anyone turned away from lunch? again facebook OC-6 man your integrity is falling by the minute. I told you on the radio and right before you ran off to get Plague and pointed right to my face and tooth. And be a man dude I posted on facebook, and I know 10 people that you offered that to. Do you really want me to get them to make there statements. Because this is a Integrity sport. You keep telling everyone that your insurance requires this and that. As you know I sit on the National Safety Board that sends the standards to the Insurance companies in this sport. We have had this conversation. As you say owe me, so yur saying your insurance company allows and says its okay for people to be intentionally shot in the face under any condition. So, I tell you what if thats true I would like to know your insurance policy number. Because I know myself and a few others could file a claim on dentist and injuries. Just like the gentlemen that was hurt asking for medical care and you took a guy with CLS certification to go and treat the guy. You do know a person with CLS"Combat life savers" Course isn't trained but in meer basic and how to stop and clog bleeding. And a person with CLS knows that. The injury reguest was a leg injury. I missed that part of class in CLS to be trained to treat and care for sprains, dislocation, and such only stabilization....... Solider's first not medical professionals. I guess your insurance allows that also. as part of the Liability. Its news to us no one was charged after you told told us five times twice at morning briefing and three more times prior to lunch break the lunch was 5.00. And went on to explain it would take forever to get chow from any of the restaurants, and wouldn't get back in time. And I told you and the guy with the pad who began looking it up on the forums after you told 7 other people . NO that was a mistake Shatter Skies was a more expensive op. And I told you well if that was true all my guys would be back at Soviet HQ eating MRE's. So I guess they should file for theft of service. Dude I have cancer not alzheimer's. Heck you never said anything to the 15 of us out there at Soviet HQ the food was free. From the morning sign in you told us it was 5.00. Do you think I was the only one to hear it. And they weren't just members of my team. And I conceded to the Fact the NATO forces did a Heck of a job, as they did. And the many Soviets that went out there did so. please post the names of anyone i payed to get good reviews of the game / property. at first i said that hot dog dinners were 5.00, after i looked it up i saw that i had posted it. my fault... we served something like 150-200 hot dogs and many casses of soda at NO cost to the players. we ended up serving some people 2-3 servings. if you would have come up to the store like the other 120+ people did you would have gotten the food too injuries at the game... 1 tan person fell on his gear, knocked the wind out of him, i took care of that and transported him to his car myself. he refused any more attention. 1 twisted ankle, not bad at all i took care of it and transported back to the store. 1 chipped tooth player didnt ask for med help walked off the field himself and never contacted me till the next day. 1 one player had a small red mark on his face on his left cheek, refused treatment. you NO CLS persons touch anyone on my field, they help transport if needed. thats all. never needed at this event. i instructed people during the safety breiffing and its posted that the head will NEVER be targeted unless thats the only thing showing. thats just silly to say i allow that. look at the posted safety breifing i read from |
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Post by paxrom on Jan 23, 2012 1:46:47 GMT -5
Dave you might as well set up a field hospital for these people who breaks their nails or else they'll keep complaining.
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Post by tnpcook1 on Jan 23, 2012 2:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by dontfeardareaper on Jan 23, 2012 6:27:14 GMT -5
. Yes it is the fault of the player who shot you, but it is also yours for not taking the precautions that would have avoided it. I am the player that shot Hilt. No it was not my fault, I took a shot at him with my M4 (min. engagement dist. 20 ft.) form 50 ft away. All I had was a head shot so I took it. This was no ones fault really, it's the risk of the game. Furthermore I was completely following the rules when I took the shot. So maybe you should re evaluate what you're saying. So Plague, are you going to accept the "tooth award" that OC Dave jokingly offered you on the CR forum chat last night or use his suggestion about making a tooth silloulette....?!?? Shame on each and every one of you in that chat room. Things do happen in airsoft but to joke and make light of it afterwards is inexusable. What little respect I had for Dave OC is now completely gone and my respect for you and the members of CR is extremely diminished. Oh and to catch others up on what I am talking about. I logged onto the Clan Reckoning web forum to check a post I had put out to them about Reforger tonight. I noticed that I was automatically logged into thier chat room and some rather odd chat was going on. I pulled up the history and Dave the field owner and several of the CR guys were joking and making fun of Hilt getting his tooth chipped. Dave offered to make a "tooth award" for the CR guy who fired the shot and suggested that a tooth siloullette be made. I let them know at that point I was in the chat room and called Dave on the carpet for making fun of someone getting hurt on his field. They tried to backtrack at that point but I was so revolted and shocked by the whole thing I logged out. I wasn't in the mood to hear his BS explanation for his outrageous behavior. He obviously thought he was safely in the company of fanboys and able to make light of something he should have taken very seriously. Dave |
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jan 23, 2012 7:54:29 GMT -5
ok thats enough, the comment was 100% taken out of context, you came in the chat room after the conversation was well underway. it was ment to be something to be avoided.... if you were offended im sorry, i was trying to find out what happened, plauge had nothing to do with it.
i have no "fan boys" no field team, CR plays at every field in texas. i provide support as a field owner only to this first rate team just as i do to others.
enough time to move on.
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Post by wraven on Jan 23, 2012 8:37:30 GMT -5
I am the player that shot Hilt. No it was not my fault, I took a shot at him with my M4 (min. engagement dist. 20 ft.) form 50 ft away. All I had was a head shot so I took it. This was no ones fault really, it's the risk of the game. Furthermore I was completely following the rules when I took the shot. So maybe you should re evaluate what you're saying. So Plague, are you going to accept the "tooth award" that OC Dave jokingly offered you on the CR forum chat last night or use his suggestion about making a tooth silloulette....?!?? Shame on each and every one of you in that chat room. Things do happen in airsoft but to joke and make light of it afterwards is inexusable. What little respect I had for Dave OC is now completely gone and my respect for you and the members of CR is extremely diminished. Oh and to catch others up on what I am talking about. I logged onto the Clan Reckoning web forum to check a post I had put out to them about Reforger tonight. I noticed that I was automatically logged into thier chat room and some rather odd chat was going on. I pulled up the history and Dave the field owner and several of the CR guys were joking and making fun of Hilt getting his tooth chipped. Dave offered to make a "tooth award" for the CR guy who fired the shot and suggested that a tooth siloullette be made. I let them know at that point I was in the chat room and called Dave on the carpet for making fun of someone getting hurt on his field. They tried to backtrack at that point but I was so revolted and shocked by the whole thing I logged out. I wasn't in the mood to hear his BS explanation for his outrageous behavior. He obviously thought he was safely in the company of fanboys and able to make light of something he should have taken very seriously. Dave I feel as if this was taken out of context: The only CR member that made any vague statement that could be conceived negatively is myself. A comment was made as the above poster suggested and in real time chat that I fired back a comment with out much thought at all. I should of gave it more consideration and I didn't. For my single comment - I apologize, no disrespect intended for any parties involved.. As for CR Members - Out of three members that happen to be online late that night I was the only one to make a five word single comment as the subject was brought up. For that I have apologized. We don't appreciate being called Fanboy's - Clan Reckoning rotate's fields on a weekly bases and develops relationships across our travels with many patron's and fields. We will not be dragged into this drama. To provide transparency - I have provided the log in question: |
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