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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 7:51:36 GMT -5
the rules i read from every sat are nearly word for word from my insurance policy, its posted 3 places at the field, its at a folder next to the check in at the field, i offered to send it to hilt, i told him over the phone about it..... its written policy that the insurance company checks up on!!!!!
why would i lie about something like that!!!!
now its just a simple misunderstanding ?!?!?!?!?!?!
ow snap my bad / NOT
this misunderstanding has caused the insurance co thousands and has caused the underwrighter to get investigaters involved spending thousands of dollars in man hours and costs.
he wanted the contact info for the co, thats what i sent him... he assumed that i was not following the ins rules without double checking. and again i was following the ins rules by freezing your accounts in the first place as i told you, i even let you come back as lilly. they take any incidents seriously and was following there directions (ins co)... no lies here, just misunderstandings?!?!?!?!?!?
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Post by hobbit2 on Apr 23, 2012 7:58:12 GMT -5
From what I can tell, the policy he referenced is the one you sent him, and if i recall, you initially refused to even send him that.
Thats wonderful that its posted in 3 places on the field.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 8:01:27 GMT -5
Actually, I do listen, and this is new information to me. From what I can tell the reason he looked into that particular policy/rule set, as opposed to literally any other one on the internet, would be because you sent him there. If those were not the rules your insurance requested/required, perhaps you should have directed him to the correct location in the first place? Man, makes the whole thing seem like a misunderstanding...one that could have been fixed with proper information. ?!?!?!?! |
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 8:05:50 GMT -5
i never sent him a policy, i offered to but he refused, i sent him to the forum area where he could see my policy rules, i sent him the contact info to the ins co so he could get a claim form. the rules are posted allways have been at eye level right next to the tabel where you signed in. there is a yellow folder there with the policy there for all to view and inspect. he didnt want to talk to me or hear from me, he was too buisey posting on lonestar and other places. if he would have spoken to me prior to leaving the field he could have filled out the claim form and seen the policy at the site, thats field policy... but he just took off and started the attacks. ctaf.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=engagementrules&action=display&thread=406 |
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Post by hobbit2 on Apr 23, 2012 8:45:19 GMT -5
We've been over all of this before, he spoke with an admin and they failed to contact you. It sucks that the situation has ended up this way but whats done is done. At this point we are just rehashing old information, which was not the point of this thread. If you want to call a lawyer, do so, regardless it is probably in your best interest to let this drop from the forums as it does not highlight the good points of you or your field.
I wish you the best of luck in your letter writing campaign, from what I can tell the field is safer now, had I been able to help admin Aftermath, perhaps I could have written a letter on your behalf.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 8:59:30 GMT -5
ow trust me this is not getting dropped, not even close.
you don't just file false statements against a business in Texas wanting "a little cash" and trash them and its just dropped.
this weekend we used the same rules as all the other games with one exception and 110+ players had a great time with 0 incidents.
and as far as stepping foot on the field again-ever, don't do it unless you want to be charged with trespassing.
but thanks for clearing everything up for the entire texas comunity.... to keep your field open do what you tell them or you will try to get "a little cash" from them. your words not mine.
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Apr 23, 2012 9:23:21 GMT -5
Sec. 33.02. BREACH OF COMPUTER SECURITY. (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly accesses a computer, computer network, or computer system without the effective consent of the owner.
(b) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor unless in committing the offense the actor knowingly obtains a benefit, defrauds or harms another, or alters, damages, or deletes property, in which event the offense is:
(1) a Class A misdemeanor if the aggregate amount involved is less than $1,500;
(2) a state jail felony if:
(A) the aggregate amount involved is $1,500 or more but less than $20,000; or
(B) the aggregate amount involved is less than $1,500 and the defendant has been previously convicted two or more times of an offense under this chapter;
(3) a felony of the third degree if the aggregate amount involved is $20,000 or more but less than $100,000;
(4) a felony of the second degree if the aggregate amount involved is $100,000 or more but less than $200,000; or
(5) a felony of the first degree if the aggregate amount involved is $200,000 or more.
(c) When benefits are obtained, a victim is defrauded or harmed, or property is altered, damaged, or deleted in violation of this section, whether or not in a single incident, the conduct may be considered as one offense and the value of the benefits obtained and of the losses incurred because of the fraud, harm, or alteration, damage, or deletion of property may be aggregated in determining the grade of the offense.
(d) A person who his subject to prosecution under this section and any other section of this code may be prosecuted under either or both sections.
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Post by hobbit2 on Apr 23, 2012 9:35:14 GMT -5
I guess I'm still missing something, what false statement? What little cash?
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 9:57:17 GMT -5
I guess I'm still missing something, what false statement? What little cash? really?  ? from trench raider2s post my hopes as to the final outcome of this little disagreement were that in the end you might be forced to shell out a little cash really ?? full discloasure: trench raider 2 is really the big cousen of hilt AKA hugh whitted, hobbit is hilts girlfriend. they are all one team. |
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Post by hobbit2 on Apr 23, 2012 10:11:52 GMT -5
I thought everyone in the community was aware of that...
And yes, it would appear TR hoped hilt would file a claim, but here's the tricky part: He didn't.
Don't try to put words into my mouth, I offered you suggestions you shut them down and had your feelings hurt. I'm done here, if you want to contact me you can go through a lawyer.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 10:30:24 GMT -5
again
My name is Hugh Whitted, and I am the claimant on a claim against Kookaburra Airsoft Field in Temple Texas, owner Dave Demorrow.
thats whe sent to the ins co. he never dropped the claim.
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Post by trenchraider2 on Apr 23, 2012 13:32:49 GMT -5
just how much cash were you looking for from my insurance for his admitted actions? sounds like extortion to me. ] Heh. Really? Do you even know the legal definition of "extortion"? I do. More importantly has anyone aproached you under the table and asked you for money to make this all go away? Do you REALLY think were I in some way involved in an illegal extortion plot against you, that I would be on an open forum talking about it? How stupid do you think I am? As the kiddies say: paranoid much? Had this libelous accusation of a felony come from anyone else, I might actually be insulted. But in this case, I just consider the source, roll my eyes, and drive on. To clarify, Hobbit is correct in that I hoped that Hugh would have filed an actual claim* back in January against Dave's insurance and the resulting payment (which would have come from Dave's insurance company rather than directly out of his pocket) would have been a learning experience for Dave and helped him correct his bad attitude and behavior. That was what I hoped would occur at that time. and lets be clear mr whitted is your cousin. Yes. He is my younger first cousin. Everyone knows that. It's not like I've made an effort to hide the fact. Why would I? (well, except, I knew him when he was an annoying little kid, the twerp! ;-) As for being on "his team", I'm on no one's team. I'm just an interested observer in this fiasco. I have nothing to gain or lose in thi smatter. I'm just hoping the final outcome is what's best for the airsoft community as a whole. Finally: if this keeps up there will be no more airsoft due to players like yourself Correction. It would be due to to your inability to handle criticism, and tendency to go into a frothing at the mouth rage when people call you on something. And there WILL be airsoft. Just not at your venue. You are are NOT the entirity of the hobby/community. As I state above, at this point I think such a final outcome would probably be best for the hobby as a whole as you simply are not cut out for the business. But I, of course, have no control or influence over that at all.... TR *-on the subject of this supposed "claim", I know for a fact that While Hugh did send an email reporting conditions at Dave's field (as did others, including myself) he did not file an actual claim with the company. They are two seperate actions. If he did, Dave, then what is the claim number? The insurance company should have provided it to you. Produce it. Show the world that you are not just hopelessly confused and flailing around here. I won't hold my breath though.... * |
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Apr 23, 2012 13:38:04 GMT -5
The fact that you all are trolling makes it seem like your being assholes honestly. Kinda getting old really fast.
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Post by trenchraider2 on Apr 23, 2012 13:45:54 GMT -5
Oh, and I caught you going back through old posts and modifying or deleting the ones were you openly insulted people. did you REALLY think I would not notice?  Once again, your behavior in this very thread is proof positive that you share a major slice of the culpability for what has occured and whatever eventually occurs in relation to this matter. By all means keep up the whining, projection, lying, comical legal threats, poorly thought out efforts at all too late damage control, and foaming at the mouth paranoia. (all posted in a style that looks as if a third grader had written it) It only serves to make you look bad. ;D Me? I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the Schadenfreude. Love and kisses. TR |
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Post by trenchraider2 on Apr 23, 2012 13:48:34 GMT -5
The fact that you all are trolling makes it seem like your being assholes honestly. Kinda getting old really fast. Charming language. Me? Trolling? Please go an google the definition of an internet troll, Poo. It does not mean "something I disagree with". If it's getting old for you, then I might give you the sound advice of not clicking on the link to this thread. It can be solved that simply. TR |
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Apr 23, 2012 14:11:15 GMT -5
The CTAF community doesn't want you here or at the field. It's not the fact I click on the link, it's the fact when I go to recent posts I see your posts. So yes it is getting old fast.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 14:19:41 GMT -5
lets just say this
as the owner of this forum (CTAF) you are again unwelcome on this forum (trench raider. lilly. hobbit, hilt, and what ever other names you use). you are tresspassing.
this thread has run its course.
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Post by MotorMouth93 on Apr 23, 2012 14:34:08 GMT -5
I consider myself relatively unbiased in this matter, as I have played both in weekly LSA skirmishes and up in Temple on several occasions, and immensely enjoyed meeting and shooting with the people at both locations. However, based solely on the quoted email in the first post of this thread, and disregarding all the other crap that has been flung, I can say this: Hilt, you don't deserve a dime.
"In light of these violations, I feel that this field is a severely unsafe place to play, and had these regulations been strictly enforced, my own injury would not have happened."
The way I understand this part of the email is that you are directly blaming the supposed lack of safety precautions in place at the time for your broken tooth. Can anyone else understand where I'm coming from? However, it was your own choice not to use full face protection, and therefore your own fault that your tooth was broken. This is airsoft, you will be shot, and you will be shot in the face on occasion, and if you happen to get shot in the teeth, there is a good chance that a tooth will chip. You knew the risks, you took the risk, and you get to live with the consequences of that choice for the rest of your life.
Insurance is there to protect the field from significant financial loss in the case that someone gets hurt through some fault of the field, not to give people money when they cause their own injuries, or when they simply "feel" that the field is unsafe.
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Post by krazyevilcookie on Apr 23, 2012 14:41:12 GMT -5
I Understand what your gettin at MotorMouth
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Post by krogarthespleen on Apr 23, 2012 14:43:43 GMT -5
BOOM
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Post by trenchraider2 on Apr 23, 2012 14:51:58 GMT -5
The CTAF community doesn't want you here or at the field. So....you speak for the entire CTAF community? That's interesting. They have a word for that. A couple of them actually.... this thread has run its course.
Heh. We've seen this before. Dave has someone who calls him on an issue and he lashes out. He then tries to engage folks he is totally outclassed by in the literacy and lucidity department. This then causes him to be on the receiving end of a nasty verbal beating (written and verbal exchanges being something he is totally unsuited for) and he tries to pull the plug on the debate in an attempt to make it all go away, but only ends up making himself look worse. One has to love it. It's comedy gold. TR |
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Post by krogarthespleen on Apr 23, 2012 14:56:26 GMT -5
I second Poo's motion!
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 15:00:24 GMT -5
the poo has it
members banned again
on grounds in fileing false claims.
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Post by Casey Sparks on Apr 23, 2012 17:42:37 GMT -5
I am a very very overbearing parent. Whom has gone to some extreme measures to ensure my childs safety. Most people would deem me a lunatic; however, after going to your field on Sat. April 21, 2012, and experiencing first hand your "check in" procedures, as well as safety measures. I was able to not only let my child, but all of his friends (10 of them) enjoy a full day outside of thier soft cornered rooms away from the XBox. So Thank you for all that you do. We all had a blast durring Operation Aftermath.
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Post by chevyracingss on Apr 23, 2012 18:26:24 GMT -5
OK,
WE SERIOUSLY NEED TO STOP SAYIN HE GOT HIS TOOTH SHOT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WAS STILL IN HIS HEAD AND HE KEPT ON PLAYING!!!!!! I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I WAS THE OC THAT CHRONO'D THE GUN THAT SHOT HIM AFTER THE INCIDENT! HE SAW THE RESULTS OF 10 SHOTS THROUGH THE CHRONO WITH ALL OF THEM BETWEEN 360-380 FPS. SHOOK THE GUN OWNER'S HAND AND RETURNED TO HIS HOME BASE TO RESPAWN. HE IS BLOWING AN INCIDENT OUT OF PROPORTION!
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Post by madivan on Apr 23, 2012 19:01:11 GMT -5
...Something the instructor said at the time has stayed with me, and applies here: "Sue, or don't sue. But never THREATEN to sue". Can anyone tell me why that's good sound advice?... TR Despite who is saying what, you have a good point there sir. I'd suggest any talk of legal action be left to the guys with the ties. |
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Post by Rabit TFS on Apr 23, 2012 19:45:18 GMT -5
I've tried to stay out of the drama as much as a can. I'm officially taking sides now. I consider Dave a good friend of mine but previously didn't want to get involved until tonight. I had one of Hilts little buddies MESSAGE ME ON FACEBOOK to talk trash. Dave, your insurance company will be hearing very good things about the field that I have experianced in the past few months I've been playing their. These "adults" are acting like 5 year olds.
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Post by parkerd13 (Shadow) on Apr 23, 2012 22:26:49 GMT -5
I agree with Rabbit an everyone on the side that actually makes sense. Every time I go to the field, I always hear and see for myself what Dave does to make the field safer- If Hilt decided to not follow common instinct (If you play something where you could get hurt, minimize the risk) and decide to make a choice of not wearing a full face mask (which Dave provides free on request) then it's his fault. Instead of trying to solve the situation, he then brings it up later along with other "issues" in which all he was wrong. Before I had even read Dave's comments I was thinking-This is complete BS!- and then to go on and change the story every now and then and insult Dave is just childish!!!!!!
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Post by dave OC-6 on Apr 23, 2012 22:35:52 GMT -5
TR2 can no longer post here so he has been pestering me on my e-mail account.....
So am I “sick”, or am I just brighter, more articulate, better educated, and more lucid than you? I know. Let’s compare IQ scores! That might be fun!
All kidding aside, you can knock off the “you have no idea what’s coming down” BS. You see I’m not easily intimidated. Hollow legal threats really only scare those who have never had any real experience with the court system. I have. I’ve been inside a courtroom before. In case you missed it on the thread, I’m a 20 years criminal justice professional and in that time I’ve been the target of frivolous lawsuits twice and have been called as an expert witness several other times. I also have a good working knowledge as to how the system works due to my work experiences. So try again. You’re not dealing with some clueless kid here.
So now we see legal threats don’t work, are you foolish enough to move onto something else? What’s next? Physical threats? Attempts at criminal intimidation perhaps?
Give it up, man. You can’t intimidate me. You can’t keep me off your forum, were I will come and go as I please. You have no legal case that any lawyer will touch. This all could have been avoided had you acted like a man and just took the criticism and moved on. For the 10th time, you really brought all this crap on yourself.
I recommend a public mea cupla and apology and a call to make a fresh start. That might start the ball rolling in the right direction. I can’t promise anything as this is not (and never really has been” my baby. But it can’t hurt.
TR
......... so to everyone i apoligise, to all who have had to put up with this and the other players (hilt, hobbit, and TR). dont worry you will never have to deal with them at temple airsoft again.
thanks
dave
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Post by pony on Apr 24, 2012 0:04:02 GMT -5
Not really anybody here knows how to contact me, I AM IMMUNE TO THE DRAMA!! Also, I figure if someone gets sad or angry, they need some happy, so Ill provide a princess celestia cupcake picture as well.   |
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