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Post by wesker on May 31, 2012 6:59:04 GMT -5
Torres was banned from SETAC about a year ago and promptly dissappeared. So much for those accusations. To edit: He was vetted as a corpral in the USMC.by retired Commander Brian Klock NCIS. I do not know all of the details. Back to the topic at hand. Quietly banned....the man had no Social Security number...so I doubt the so called "vetting." |
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Post by zmonster on May 31, 2012 7:18:24 GMT -5
Again,
You two need to either go behind the woodshed or to the pull up bar.
Your personal dislikes of each other have detracted enough from the airsoft communities,
As a relevant and viable organization, TASO must make a public announcement on Jeff concerning his story, that will go farther in restoring some's faith. Then get back to the business of promoting safe Airsofting in Texas, the key is understanding that it is not an organization of chairsofters that post their attitudes on a forum, but made of people that play.
I am in the process of contacting John Lu concerning a LC Opportunity in San Antonio, in order to bring a large scale event into Texas, but for that to truly work, we need to cease the self creating drama among the communities, because it spills onto the sportsfield.
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Post by Longbow on May 31, 2012 8:37:46 GMT -5
Wesker
I apologize if I upset you. Sorry
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Post by wesker on May 31, 2012 9:14:13 GMT -5
I have no personal dislike or issues with Longbow...my issue is that if a forum or group is going to present a discourse on Greywolf, and somehow tie in this one person to TASO, maybe that group should then also disclose their own posers and their lack of dealing with them...just to be fair of course. The idea that because someone lied and deceived people in order to gain a position within an group...does this condemn the whole group? This seems to be turning into some kind of witch hunt against TASO, instead or the exposing of a poser. As to TASO and airsoft in Houston..Houston Airsoft is thriving..many new members, many games on the calendar...games that attract on average 70 to 150 players..while Se-Tac languishes, unable to field enough people for regular games. These games follow TASO SAFETY guidlines...there's no great TASO political power play or looming TASO oversight. If folks don't want to play under TASO rules, fine, go form your own groups. I fail to see the reason for this animosity towards TASO because of the actions of one person. I point out the Se-Tac poser issue to illustrate that one could have the same attitude towards them..or many other groups...because of the occasional low lifes that join. We are grown men playing with toy guns...it's a game....a hobby...we are not in position to vet everyone who shows up wanting to play. SO put down the torches and pitchforks..have a tiny bit of patience and let the groups affected deal with their own problems.
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Post by zmonster on May 31, 2012 16:38:50 GMT -5
Wesker,
The only person TCA sees advocating pitchforks and torches or a coup against TASO is YOU.
As far as flaming organizations, you are doing most of it now mentioning SE-TAC.
TCA has not lumped TASO members into the same category as one individual (or in your case with Torres and SE-TAC), quite the opposite, we seen an opportunity to grow TASO support.
If you cannot put past grudges aside for the betterment of the hobby, it might be time to choose another one.
Concerning vetting, it is simple to do, Lionclaws does it, if a fraud is on the field, where does their breach of integrity stop? Patience? This has gone on for 4 months, and has affected all airsoft players in the State with the law now being involved.
For some airsoft communities it provides a good environment for standards and ethical behavior, so where does fraud fit in? The TASO Charter clearly states that there is no room for it. As a TASO Member I have an expectation for my organization to be the standard bearer for players.
As a Servicemember and Combat Veteran, I cannot condone those who would claim a Distinguished Service Cross, Silver Star, and Purple Heart and dozens of schools/qualifications/deployments and dismiss them as being simple liars/fakes. Men and women earned those awards through sacrifice, I applaud any group that goes after those fakers/frauds using our service to gain/curry position and favor.
All player that sees no wrong doing on Jeff's part (and other fakers) won't be on the same field with my teams or me. That kind of broken integrity and example doesn't belong near younger players.
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Post by postal on May 31, 2012 19:07:06 GMT -5
well said zmonster.
Thank you for your service.
Am no combat veteran just a MARINE that train for it and was ready but thank the lord never had to go like so many of my brothers.
I was talking with a KHE SANH VET about a month ago and in the middle of are conversation he started telling me about how he saw somebody playing paintball on tv and how seeing people play paintball or airsoft just sets him off and he was shaking the whole time with tears in his eyes.Then I told him that I play airsoft and that the people that play tend no diisrespect they do it with honor and honor all veterns.after setting with him awhile he shook my hand and said thank you and Semper fi!
When I saw this youtube vid and the start of this thread It made me feel Like a big fat lair.
I am fairly new this hobby started in 2005 and attended NAM V and did not play for awhile just got back in becuase my son wanted to play so we enjoy it together a great group of folks.
Like to see it grow in texas like it is in california but when I wacth that vid and read the comments and saw all the dislikes.hey these are not all from parties envolved in the sport/hobby these are outsiders looking in and judging milsim'ers,feild players and all involved in the hobby.It makes me sick.body lanuage speeks louder than words and is truthfull.
I dont beleive in banning or exileing its a fun and small sport that all should be able to enjoy.this person that we are all talking about looks like in enjoys it and being involve in it and promoting it.Hey we get sweep up in things just part of being human.Everybody knows that he is lying hey fess up and stop all this nonsense before real damage is done and lets enjoy the sport.I ranted and said my peice am done and will put it up to God.
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Post by dave OC-6 on May 31, 2012 22:39:23 GMT -5
ok now lets settle down.
no one here needs to go after taso right now, they will swim or sink on there own right now....
as for other posers i think the community that they muddy is the comunity that needs to out them if they want, if you want help let me know in PMs. there are ways to check these guys out and find out the truth and make it public. till there is supporting documents i would watch out. i have over 190+ supporting documents about grey wolf and people still dont want to know about it.
no this whole thing is not about taso, but he was a taso offical. and GW did portray himself as the head of taso to many insurance people so taso should respond to that.
please dont use this as a bashing stick about others i know nothing about.
texas is a big state and i cant know about everyone here.
thanks
dave
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Post by Tyrus (T-virus) on Jun 1, 2012 10:58:13 GMT -5
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 3, 2012 19:10:25 GMT -5
i now know why the houston comunity has banned me......
Regarding the GreyWolf/txtrench issue
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From the Staff of HoustonAirsoft.com
As some of you are acutely aware, there have been accusations leveled against the TASO Central Region Director (GreyWolf) regarding his claims of military service. At this time, the staff of HoustonAirsoft.com has placed a ban on his account, as a result of his refusal to cooperate with requests to validate his service claims. This ban is not a commentary on his innocence or guilt, it is our opinion that all “evidence” presented, thus far, has been hearsay or consequential at best. We refuse to condemn ANYONE until such time as proper, validated evidence is presented, warranting such action.
We have also banned the account of GreyWolf’s accuser (txtrench). After discussion, the staff and moderators determined that his conduct in this matter has not been in a manner we wish to support. This is not a commentary on his character or a reflection of our opinion of his field/business, however all games taking place at his field may no longer be posted to our site. Regardless of whether or not his accusations against GreyWolf are finally determined to be accurate, we do not condone the manner in which he has chosen to pursue a resolution.
From the owner of HoustonAirsoft.com:
Comments have been made about TASO needing to release a "statement" regarding this whole mess, implying that TASO owes the public some kind of an apology for it all. Did I miss where the other directors vetted GreyWolf’s claims and proceeded to run about, touting his military service in a bid to manipulate the players in Texas? The TASO board of directors certainly didn’t “hire” GreyWolf, he was elected by the players of his region. If anyone owes anyone else an apology, would it not be those actually responsible for his election? That would be silly, wouldn't it? By the same logic, it is ludicrous to expect an apology from the directors, who had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. In fact, if you really wanted to break things down, it is the voters who foisted GreyWolf upon the directors, forcing them to have to deal with him. Perhaps it is the people who voted GreyWolf into office, who owe the TASO directors an apology. Again, a very silly idea, indeed.
Also, "TASO" isn’t just five guys sitting around stroking their mustaches while pulling on the invisible strings of the puppets/players. "TASO" includes every single one of us who agrees to play by the TASO rules, with our votes/opinions being carried-out by elected regional directors. A statement from TASO on this issue would require every one of us to account for the actions of one man. Not exactly rational. It is those of us in TASO who should be demanding an apology from those of you who have chosen to paint us with the same brush as GreyWolf.
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Does it need to be said? Does it need to be said now? Does it need to be said now, by me? --Craig Ferguson
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translation, dont rock the boat, its not our fault, and 190+ documnets are not enough proof.... also if you are right in the end we dont care.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 3, 2012 19:16:44 GMT -5
from TASO:
"The Central Texas Director position is now vacant. Greywolf has been removed from that position by vote of the Board of Directors. Credible evidence of his questionable claims of military service has been presented and no clarification has been made by Greywolf. (Thank you to Zmonster of TCA for his information in this matter). In additional there have been issues with how his position was used in the past when dealing with fields and other entities. The director position is about teaching and promoting safety and giving players a voice with safety concerns. Nothing more. The Central Texas communities have been asked to refer any questions to Bullet or Desertdog for the time being.
TASO will be undergoing some administrative structure changes in the coming months. TASO is a common set of safety rules. Nothing more. The Board of Director's exists to give player communities a voice in changing and adapting those rules.
There have been many over the long years of TASO that have viewed this organization as a method to gain some type of power over airsoft in Texas. Anyone that has held the director position can tell you that it gives one power over precisely nothing. Every community in Texas runs their own websites and their own business. TASO is just a common set of safety rules for us to all use. Many communities have opted for their own ruleset, and that is certainly their prerogative.
This body will keep promoting the message of safe game play. That is it's only mission.
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my rant:
z monster, thanks for the help, but 90% of the work was done by players, my wife, and myself on this site. not a single thanks from the houston, the SAAC (alamo airsoft) or taso sites,,, just blanket bans.... yes i am a little mad.... but it shows much about where some parts of theis hobby are headed. remember GW was the one that said on the field, and to the insurance companies that HE was the face of TASO. the least taso could say is thank you.
by the way its not over yet,,, the bigh bombshell will be out in under 2 weeks. i ask TCAS, houston airsoft, san antonio, and others to reach out to me prior to it comming out to work with me or not your choice.
rant over
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 3, 2012 19:36:49 GMT -5
ok i want everyone to know i did not set out to take down or go to war with any group / team / or entirety. just to show the truth about someone many already knew about but had no proof.
he has been doing this for years and airsoft was just the latest group he fooled. trust me i found other employers and clubs that he did the same thing to.
now if you want to work with me that's great and offer that option and many now have taken me up on that. most are now working with me behind the scenes and only 3 groups are not. in fact they are fighting me about it. that is there choice to do so but banning me and ANYONE who dare to even bring up the subject seems a little silly..... again about 190 pages of documents and his official records from the DOD and NOW they act....... against me. sounds silly to me.
again i have not hid anything but more is on the way just as soon as i vet the next set of documents. i was hoping that this would in some way bring the community together against a poser, but what it has done is put a select group of people on the defensive that have no reason to be and should not be.
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Post by Derafear on Jun 3, 2012 20:25:48 GMT -5
ok i want everyone to know i did not set out to take down or go to war with any group / team / or entirety. just to show the truth about someone many already knew about but had no proof. he has been doing this for years and airsoft was just the latest group he fooled. trust me i found other employers and clubs that he did the same thing to. now if you want to work with me that's great and offer that option and many now have taken me up on that. most are now working with me behind the scenes and only 3 groups are not. in fact they are fighting me about it. that is there choice to do so but banning me and ANYONE who dare to even bring up the subject seems a little silly..... again about 190 pages of documents and his official records from the DOD and NOW they act....... against me. sounds silly to me. again i have not hid anything but more is on the way just as soon as i vet the next set of documents. i was hoping that this would in some way bring the community together against a poser, but what it has done is put a select group of people on the defensive that have no reason to be and should not be. HOORAAAA!!!!!! That Rangerific!!!!! ;D |
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Post by caliban on Jun 3, 2012 21:17:56 GMT -5
Glad he's out and there will be "restructuring" done. I'm sorry to hear they banned you and this field from their forums in the process, with their own ludicrous logic.
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Post by dtrain on Jun 4, 2012 4:23:28 GMT -5
LOL most people feel like they where took by this guy and don't want it to be true. I at 1 time was took in by him that's how people like him work. We (AIRSOFT COMMUNITY) can't know the past of everyone. A we can only go by how you play the game and treat people in this community. When someone is doing questionable things we have got to stand up and ask why. Sticking our heads in the sand won't make things better. If people are still upset by the information that has come out then sorry but to be mad at someone for telling the truth is well RE-TAR-EED and everybody knows (YOU NEVER GO FULL RETARD). Thanks to the people who have taken up this fight with Dave and myself. For a while I didn't know about the people in this sport. Now I see there are real people in this sport that will do what it takes to keep this sport moving in the right direction. This community has gotten stronger it's just hard to see right now. But once the smoke clears the people who have turn their backs on this will understand the the community has moved on without them. I know my team is working hard to take airsoft/milsim to the next level. We have had a ruff year so far but tuff times is what makes us who we are. D-Train out
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Post by zmonster on Jun 5, 2012 13:20:15 GMT -5
Dave,
In no way did I do all the work (less than 2%), all I did was ask some schoolhouses there at Benning, and some contacts at the State level, with what you and POWMIA provided, you have been put through the ringer by individuals that do not want to be seen taking any sides in the matter.
TASO will survive this and grow being the PAO (public affairs office) of the sport, as it was intended to be. A good azimuth check was needed.
For those groups sitting on the fence on this one, at some point you will have to deal with the same situations that we have had to, this is something that the communities in airsoft should be spared before it gets out to a national media outlet and gives airsoft a bad image.
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Jun 8, 2012 15:39:51 GMT -5
Hmmm a wolf how fitting.....
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Post by Derafear on Jun 8, 2012 15:44:58 GMT -5
Hmmm a wolf how fitting..... I Wonder  |
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Post by Derafear on Jun 8, 2012 16:03:48 GMT -5
Yes and the wolf is grey.....
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Post by LT on Jun 10, 2012 0:52:45 GMT -5
I've taken the liberty of removing that post with the offensive wolf pic....no reason for it to stay on the forum anymore than the others either. We all have our suspicions, and justifiably so. My advice, however: ignore it on the public threads, and PM admins immediately for questions/concerns/red flags/alerts/ etc. In short: don't feed the troll.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 10, 2012 23:06:43 GMT -5
i have checked it out and that was from GW.
and now for the first bomb shell of the week,,,,,
from stolden valor facebook page..
picture has been deleated but on file.
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Post by Marissa on Jun 11, 2012 11:47:09 GMT -5
you do know im a minor and posting things without permission is against the law right .. or do you not know that .. better be careful or you will be finding lawsuits against this for discimination of character and for harrassment so i suggest you watch what your doing..
Thank you
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Post by Longbow on Jun 11, 2012 12:16:47 GMT -5
Thank you whom-ever for that uplifting post. I am impressed with your explanation. Check with your "fathers" attorney on this matter.  If it is posted on facebook or twitter then it is the property of the masses. |
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 11, 2012 12:18:54 GMT -5
You are saying that you may sue me for pointing out what you openly said in public on the world wide webb to over 7000 people?  thank you Marissa, are you now saying you are now proud of your father and his actions? |
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Jun 11, 2012 12:38:55 GMT -5
Honestly it is a OPEN SOCIAL MEDIA SOURCE. Admitting that you're a minor is fine, but what I see is a screen shot of more than one poster and your statement ( which is no longer on the actual page ) happens to be in the shot.
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Jun 11, 2012 12:40:23 GMT -5
At no point did anyone speicifally use your name or context of you admitting anything. But a statement from STOLEN VALOR FACEBOOK PAGE. A open page for anyone to post and read.
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Post by Longbow on Jun 11, 2012 14:38:04 GMT -5
Is it strange that "Marissa" would join up here just to make a post like that after her statements on facebook??? Also, if you have already been dragged through the mud why would you grab ahold of the rope again? |
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 11, 2012 14:42:43 GMT -5
hi
as for the daughter, she posted openly on a forum with 7000+ members last week. no one knew her age, she looks like she is in her early 20s on FB, but again no age listed. i did not ask her, i did not know her age and will take down but keep the screen shot on file.
it does not affect you, wrong.
promoters in Texas can not get the free promotional items like before, insurance rates for the area are going up, fields are closing, and charitable institutions that once supported airsoft will not talk to us any more.
this will result in fewer fields opening and the ones that stay open will have to shoulder more costs.... how do you think the fields will get the extra funds?
for the most part it was dropped last week prior to the attack on CTAF, i even left the country to relax. what is going on with local law enforcement / stolen valor web sites / the state AG / the FBI / etc, i have nothing to do with.
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 14, 2012 21:21:49 GMT -5
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Post by dave OC-6 on Jun 18, 2012 15:00:00 GMT -5
see anyone can look great in uniform Attachments:
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Post by 88B88888B88B888 on Jun 18, 2012 16:57:59 GMT -5
managed to chuckle a little.
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